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this is ross coulthard and you are

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listening to that ufo podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast i am delighted to welcome for

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his second appearance on the pod uh

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acclaimed famed researcher author and

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host of his own excellent white house

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ufo youtube channel mr grant cameron

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grant welcome back to the podcast thank

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you andy you're glad to be on

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i'm very glad to have you a very popular

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guest and as soon as i said you were

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coming back on people were asking me

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when it was going to be released already

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so this is one folks are definitely

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looking forward to um grant the last

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time we spoke it was may 2021 for anyone

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who's not heard that they can go back

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and check that one out

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at the time the uap task force report

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was on the horizon a lot has happened

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since then in the year since that report

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was released what for you has stood out

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as being real progress in the disclosure

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movement

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well first of all i guess i could point

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out that the fact that it's even

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happening i mean i'm i've been in this

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since 1975

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and i never in my wildest dreams ever

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believed this would happen i remember i

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tell the story that i was at an x

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conference run by steve bassett a number

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of years back

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and at the end of the conference they

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had a panel we were all sitting on the

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stage and they were taking questions

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from the audience and one of the

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audience people asked when do you think

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disclosure is going to take place so the

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first person said oh six months next

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person said a year whatever and it came

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and i remember steve bassett's face just

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dropped he's like how could you possibly

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say this i never ever believed this

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would happen not not in a million years

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i i i even wrote an article

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back in 2009 the 64 reasons why the

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government decided not to tell you the

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truth so i'm

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somewhat surprised

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i first learned about this in 2016 that

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this was going to happen before anything

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ever happened

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i was in contact with chris bledsoe and

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i was in contact with a guy out of

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philadelphia who were both

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on the inside of what was going on

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and i knew then that they were going to

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drop this thing and they were referring

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to at that time what was called the big

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man in washington and that was jim

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semivan so jim semivan was basically

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behind this he's now admitted this i

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have it in my 2017 book called managing

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magic i'm the first to bring up jim

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and the fact that he was this major

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and he has now stated that he went to

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all the intelligence agencies

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uh the head of all the intelligence

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agencies said and said to them

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you guys can't get this out

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we're gonna take it we're gonna we're

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gonna drop this thing and the apparently

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according to jim semivan all the

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yeah okay go ahead and keep us posted

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and he said we're not gonna drop any

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so what happened was that jim semivan

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think well you know this just sort of

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accidentally happened uh but you gotta

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going to happen and lu elizondo resigned

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the people who are pushing this issue

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are former they're retired people they

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don't have to really worry about their

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meeting um um jim semivan was in the

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meeting and there was a contractor in

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the meeting i'm not sure who the

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contractor was but this this was all

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planned and then that's when the new

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the story was coming i heard stories and

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the story was coming there was even um i

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that um at the very end people were

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saying well tom delong is full of it

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this is this garbage i mean he's just

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making up another story and remember two

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ugh like he even he was starting to

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believe it wasn't gonna it wasn't gonna

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happen so when they dropped this in 2017

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this was all planned uh this is all

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orchestrated by this group of people

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uh louis lozando melon

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and melon didn't even believe and melon

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coast to coast i was on the first two

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hours he was on the third hour he came

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on after me and said no i don't believe

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that there if there was a ufo cover up i

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would have known about it i don't

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believe it's happening and stuff so he

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was only read in recently and uh he

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joined the team and you have this this

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team of people who decided it was time

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to get it out so it's very positive that

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we've finally gotten to the point where

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we've gotten over that hump

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all the years that i've been in this

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i've always referred to it as the rodney

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dangerfield and i don't know it's sort

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of a newer audience i don't know but

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people knew rodney dangerfield was he

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was always this guy that always felt

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everybody was against them and uh you

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i'm so unlucky and i call this the

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rodney dangerfield of the of the

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scientific community it was like you

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could talk about anything in science but

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don't talk about ufos because people

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will just they will have no respect for

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you but what this disclosure initiative

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uh has not released so much material but

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it has released the fact that this is

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for real so you can actually talk to

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your friends and neighbors now and

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they're not going to sort of blush brush

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you off we've gotten over that hump and

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that's what it basically comes down to

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in terms of these issues is any issue of

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consciousness so whether it was uh you

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know women's right to vote or gay rights

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or gay marriage or anything like this

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you couldn't go and ask people when did

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and people will say well i don't know it

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was about what 20 years ago and they

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have no idea because these things just

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happen they just sort of flip and uh i

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made the expression that when the new

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years ago about the fact that when this

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uh the stock market is going to melt

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down people are going to realize oil is

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not worth anything and also stuff and

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nothing because the consciousness was

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ready it was like people went yeah okay

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stuff like that so we were over that

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hump where we can now talk about it

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where it's not the you know this ugly

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issue that we're trying to stay hidden

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now the issue is to raise consciousness

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towards the next issue of what it is

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where it's coming from uh but the idea

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of ufos exists is actually um

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the ufo community because you and i

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maybe we know about all this stuff we

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we've we we've accepted it like for

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example in 1975 i had five close

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objects so i knew i i never ever tried

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to prove ufos exist i could care less i

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it's like this new stamp that the

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ukrainians put out where the guy is on

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the shore of snake island and he's

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giving the finger to the uh the warship

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the russian warship i mean that was like

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me i couldn't have cared less if you

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believe it believe it i don't care uh

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people usually knew that you don't argue

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with me because i'll sit there and talk

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until you fall over so they would just

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where consciousness has been raised

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where it's now an open issue and

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these public hearing things so what

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field again so we're bringing up louis

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stuff and we're we're people are getting

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stuff they're talking the same stuff

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they were but for us it's the same stuff

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that that's what this is pointed at with

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the the general public in fact i may

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even be doing a an episode of this in

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canada doing the same thing that brazil

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where i'm setting it up and making sure

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we have the witnesses on board and the

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the government people on board

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but i'm gonna try to do the same thing

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and that's for the general public to get

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the general public up to speed in terms

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of what's going on but for most of the

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ufo community this is kind of boring

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stuff because it's the same stories all

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the time and and uh people get sort of

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frustrated they want the next step to

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take place but the way it works is you

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have to sort of bring everybody along

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you've got to get the rest of the public

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up to speed and that i think is what's

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congressional hearings or whether it's

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the brazilian hearings and in terms of

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leaked this document the wilson leaked

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document which

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a lot of people said they were

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absolutely shocked that this thing has

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into the congressional record that now

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this is a matter of and and i know eric

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davis was probably pretty upset with me

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because i knew eric davis and hell put

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off and i knew all these people and i

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didn't want to be the one to drop it

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there was a number other people had the

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document uh they got it from me or they

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they found out on the internet early who

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didn't release it as well but i mean

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that's the situation that you're at

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where that document alone can break the

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cover up it has enough material in it

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and all they have to do now is have a

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hearing

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not with the these uh minister these

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defense people because what the

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government is doing is they're putting

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up defense people who don't know

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anything and that's what people got to

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realize that in the government 99.9999

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of people have no clue what's going on

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so you can take somebody who's in the

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pentagon and put them out there and he's

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never heard about ufos he doesn't know

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what's going on he wasn't in the program

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he wasn't read in and he'll sit there

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and say well you know i don't i think

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it's drones or whatever that's what the

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government is doing to try to keep the

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the sort of the lid on top of this thing

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uh but all you need is one congressional

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hearing where eric davis is there hell

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put off is there luella zondo is there

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they're sworn to

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uh just to uh tell the truth and they

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are given a wave of clearance where they

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can talk about whatever they want and

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that's it game over set match it's it's

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game over if you get eric davis uh air

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and say elizondo and help put off up in

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front of a congressional hearing then

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they're going to talk about the the

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crash material and all this kind of

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stuff which so far is hidden and you

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can't really blame them for hiding it

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because that's the whole deal the guys

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that control this it's all about getting

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this before the russians because i'll

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always maintain that it's not the medals

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it's the consciousness aspect that

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you've got to watch that's what they're

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on top of and they don't want to release

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you mentioned the wilson davis memo

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grant and that was congressman mike

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gallagher who i think for many people

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stole the show with his line of

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questioning his submission of the

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documents into public record what was

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your reaction when you heard him submit

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that or was it something you had window

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of beforehand

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i didn't know they were going to submit

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it i didn't even know they were going to

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bring it up because uh as you know

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there's a lot of controversy in the ufo

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community as to

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you know the document whether it was

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real and stuff and i knew it was real

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right from the word go i mean i knew

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because

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on the wilson leaked document uh the

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whole thing had been set up by um oak

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shannon if you remember in the document

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and i was in contact with eric davis

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when this when this memo thing took

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place i didn't know he had written it

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but i was in contact with him and i knew

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he was close friends with oak shannon in

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fact there's a set of there's a document

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that i was given

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uh which are oak shannon's notes to the

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1985 meeting if you remember john

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alexander held a thing where they were

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trying to break the ufo cover up in 1985

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and they had top secret sci everybody

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had a top secret sei clearance they were

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in a they were in a secure vault in in

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uh the on the east coast and they were

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talking about ufos well i was given oak

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shannon's notes now i have not released

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them i'm not allowed to release them

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until luke shannon dies but that was

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given this by eric davis so i knew that

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eric davis and hel and oak shannon were

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close friends and so i was not really

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surprised about the doctrine i was

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surprised they read it in and i think

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you're referring to

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is a woman i think it was it wasn't and

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one of the things i pointed out to

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people was about a young young gentleman

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yeah there's there's the one the girl

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who did the first um uh

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draft uh

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i think that's

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right yeah yeah

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uh people got to remember with

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gillibrandt that um you got to look at

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her background because i always see

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people do you know who she actually

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actually is and they say why uh she's a

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senator yes from what state they say new

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york and i say who how did she get her

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seat

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clinton

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went to the state department so she has

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hillary clinton's seat and you gotta

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remember hillary clinton was the one

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that started it was it was john podesta

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and it was hillary clinton that

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basically started this whole thing they

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wanted this thing disclosed if you

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recall it was supposed to be in the fall

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of uh 2015 but it didn't happen until

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spring of

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2016 where she was on the kimmel show

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and she brought up the fact that they're

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now called uaps that was supposed to

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have happened six months before but but

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she wasn't asked a question on this on

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this talk show and so and she brings it

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up and it was her and john that actually

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pushed this whole thing and i was being

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told in 2016 they're gonna drop this

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thing uh it's it's coming out and

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because hillary lost the election that's

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why they had to retool the whole thing

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and the they exposed the three main

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witnesses mccass mccaslin uh

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mckay and robert weiss from lockheed's

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conquerors they had to take off because

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they were exposed in the wikileaks email

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drop from john podesta so it was all

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sort of uh planned beforehand and

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i think the the wilson league thing was

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just an accidental

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thing that i happened to get and it had

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and i always said the cover-up will

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break when this when this document is

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fully understood or or leaked and stuff

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so it's in the memo and uh the next um

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hopefully some of the senators will take

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it and i do know that one experiencer

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has had a u.s senator at his home trying

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to see something and that's what you've

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got is you've got senators now who are

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very interested they're secretly behind

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the scenes trying to read material on it

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get material talk to people and the same

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thing's happening in canada there's a

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member of parliament here in canada who

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can't i was contacted to provide him all

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the wilbur smith material all the

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thousands of pages of material from the

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early canadian government he's in the

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opposition party here in canada and he

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requested that and then he went to uh

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all the different researchers and he

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went to to mellon he went to put off he

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went to uh elizondo gathered a lot of

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materials so that's what you see with

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these with these government people they

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don't want to be upfront about what

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they're doing but behind the scenes

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i can assure you that these senators

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have caught on and a lot of them are

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very interested in this whole thing and

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it's no longer a thing where you you

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lose your seat when you sort of bring

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this thing up so i'm pretty encouraged

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with what's gonna happen it's the whole

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idea is when the next hearing takes

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place and do we go to public hearings

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where we get to bring in people like

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eric davis and help put off and lu

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elizondo who if they are waived their

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security clearance is waived

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will basically tell the american people

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what's actually going on

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you mentioned senators visiting

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experiencers and you may or may not be

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in a position to say but would that be

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places like the bledsoe ranch

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yes

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well it's not a ranch but uh chris

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so yeah i don't know if chris has made

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it public but yes there that was one of

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the uh that was one of the places that

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this senator visited i'm not sure which

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senator it was but that's the thing is

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you're getting these senators who are

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behind the scenes very interested it was

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the same as there was a lot in the past

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but like barry goldwater i've got all

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his files 190 pages he used to

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correspond regularly with people who

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wrote him letters and stuff like that

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and they would ask him about this famous

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story where lemay he asked lemay to go

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in the blue room at wright patterson air

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force base and lemay tells him uh

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you know be quiet don't ever bring this

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thing up again or i'll court-martial you

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and uh so

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you know and he was

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goldwater was the head of the senate

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intelligence committee at one point so

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he was a fairly major guy but he had

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made a phone call to

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um um now what's his name um from saic

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um he was the guy that ran the back

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engineering program for

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he was rumored to run but anyway he made

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a phone call uh to him on behalf of

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stephen greer stephen greer said phone

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him up and he phoned him up and his

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daughter had said um

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she had never seen her father so scared

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he never talked about ufos again so they

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backed him off but now the cat's out of

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the bag there's no way they're gonna put

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this thing back in the bag what they're

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trying to do is just sort of throw

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things in the way to try to slow it down

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but

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congress is separate it's a separate

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branch of government then then the

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executive branch and there's not much

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the exec executive branch can do

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uh if congress wants to have their

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hearing and bring them in in canada

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we're trying to get an we're trying to

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get a hearing in the house of commons

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that we're not going to get but i think

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we can have a hearing where we have uh

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parliamentary members uh actually asking

519
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questions on an online

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session with uh top-level uh witnesses

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to sort of educate the canadian people

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as to what's going on

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you mentioned some names like louis

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elizondo eric davis halpitov and some of

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those have said already that especially

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lou he'd be open to to standing in front

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of congress and testifying

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there are other names for example

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admiral wilson and others who it'd be

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great to have those individuals there

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but many would say it's fear of

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prosecution or the lack of any immunity

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that's holding that back gary nolan has

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recently said that immunity language is

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almost fully drafted and that's

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something they're hoping to bring

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forward have you got any inkling as to

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any individuals that may come forward if

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they're granted full immunity given what

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the roles may have been in this cover-up

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potentially

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well you you basically i guess what

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you'd have i used to call them the avery

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back in the 1990s i put out the list i

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00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,160
was one of the first people to put out

546
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:22,400
the list and these are a lot of people

547
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,760
like kit green

548
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,760
uh has a lot of knowledge jacques valet

549
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,679
has a lot of knowledge these are people

550
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:29,440
who had security clearances who are now

551
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:32,559
retired uh but still have to be at their

552
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,919
security class i guess what it would

553
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:35,840
come down to is what we used to call the

554
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,280
avery now they're called the invisible

555
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,440
college or uh

556
00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:41,520
the um i can't what they call now the

557
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:43,919
the cosmic the cosmic club the cosmic

558
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:46,400
group or something and this is like this

559
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,640
invisible college of uh 50 or more

560
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:50,240
people that

561
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,200
are

562
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,240
one of them ones would be um tim taylor

563
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:57,520
who's his name has been around uh

564
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,080
fight club that diana pacilica mentioned

565
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,160
yeah yeah so he his name has been

566
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,160
mentioned a number of times uh he has

567
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:07,520
clearances from all the agencies cia and

568
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,640
nsa

569
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,039
nasa uh he's got a very good knowledge

570
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,799
so it's these type of people from the

571
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,880
from the invisible college some of the

572
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:15,919
government people that might come

573
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,600
forward i guess the main one would be

574
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,679
wilson that wilson tried to look into

575
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,320
this uh but if you get uh

576
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:23,679
a

577
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,440
pretty

578
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,280
clear

579
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,520
it's a real document and what you gotta

580
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,679
remember is that um there's a lot of

581
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,160
people that can be named i think uh

582
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,160
basically i think danny sheen had said

583
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,400
that when they went in for louisando

584
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:50,240
when he was fighting for louis lozando

585
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,240
he was basically going to name everybody

586
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,000
all the people that were involved and

587
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,039
forced the pentagon to investigate all

588
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,440
these people so they know you know who's

589
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:01,600
who's involved and whatever

590
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:02,480
and

591
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,440
that would break that open it's it's a

592
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:09,679
matter of the fact that the congress is

593
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,559
sort of

594
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,039
you know sidestepped now with with the

595
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,280
midterm elections and with this uh

596
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,520
january 6 committee and stuff like that

597
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:19,760
but eventually we're going to have a

598
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,720
hearing

599
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,840
where

600
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,159
somebody like eric davis is the biggest

601
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,159
because what people forget is eric davis

602
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,440
wrote that that those notes in 2002

603
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,440
and i know people he was talking to that

604
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:33,440
were high much higher level than than

605
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:37,039
wilson at the time and um eric davis has

606
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,400
an intelligence background people don't

607
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,240
realize that he had us air force

608
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:43,120
intelligence before he uh got into you

609
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,159
know the scientists thing and uh so he

610
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,080
knows how intelligence works he's got

611
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,000
all sorts of connections so if he knew

612
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,159
that in 2002 what are in those notes you

613
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,840
can imagine what eric davis knows now

614
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,200
and you can imagine what help put off

615
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,039
knows because that's basically what this

616
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,039
has happened is is i you know i always

617
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,880
said with the avery or at the invisible

618
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,720
college or whatever you want to call

619
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,799
these guys i said you may agree with

620
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,559
these guys who disagree with these guys

621
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,960
but when jim semivan talks when eric

622
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:11,760
davis talks when hell put off talks make

623
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,799
sure you tape it make sure you take

624
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,120
notes because these guys will slip on

625
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,720
the the occasional time and they'll say

626
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,480
something and these guys know what's

627
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:22,559
going on and what they had done is they

628
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,120
had gotten together together it works

629
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:27,280
the same as any other club is you have a

630
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,640
security clearance and they're trying to

631
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,320
figure it out as well so they had this

632
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,840
this group which was the avery which

633
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,600
would meet from time to time and they

634
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,200
would get together and what's up and

635
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,480
what do you know and what do you know

636
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:38,159
and they would all exchange stories they

637
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,360
wouldn't talk to the people on the

638
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,919
street because it was all classified you

639
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,679
know high level stuff but they're trying

640
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,120
to figure it out as well because i don't

641
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,400
think anybody has the answer to this

642
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,240
thing i don't think anybody knows

643
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,880
because i think when as i said earlier i

644
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,320
think when this all comes down this is

645
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,159
going to come down to a consciousness

646
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,760
interface this is going to come down to

647
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,280
the fact that this is not as physical as

648
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,200
people think it is and that's the part

649
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,799
that they're you'll you'll see in the

650
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,799
government nobody ever talks about ets

651
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,720
because i think they they know it's more

652
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,640
complex than et's that's why they'll

653
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,720
call them the others and things like

654
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,520
that they they realize that this is

655
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,840
jim semivan said there's no there there

656
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,760
and he's a guy who had face-to-face

657
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,280
contact with these beings and he

658
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,799
basically said i don't know what's going

659
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,880
on and and i think that's what it is

660
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,240
it's almost like i think it was

661
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,240
heisenberg said the universe is not only

662
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,240
more amazing than you think it's more

663
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,080
amazing than you can ever imagine and i

664
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,760
think that same thing is going to come

665
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,559
to you with ufos that is more more

666
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,240
amazing than you can ever imagine that

667
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,559
the more you look at the ufos the more

668
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,799
complex this thing gets i even heard a

669
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,640
story a friend told me a story

670
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:43,039
um he had with a group

671
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,720
and um he had been shown a film usa a

672
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,240
government official film i'm not sure

673
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,559
what the date was or what the agency was

674
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,000
but he and a couple other people have

675
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,559
been shown this film and it showed a ufo

676
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,360
morphing now if that's true

677
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,280
it's it's game over because we're

678
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,440
sitting there with ufo sightings as i

679
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,720
said we're trying to re-plow the same

680
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,919
field it's like this sighting that

681
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,840
sighting you know renders from forest

682
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,080
and uh you know aerial school and we

683
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,919
tell these stories and stuff like that

684
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,080
but um when you come down to it it's

685
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,120
going to be this this very very complex

686
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,240
uh thing where uh you're looking at ufos

687
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,240
and you're categorizing the sizes or

688
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,320
whatever and the thing can change shape

689
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,240
and size any time it wants so what's the

690
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,000
point of covering ufo sightings because

691
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,840
the thing is just making a change i

692
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,559
remember even in 1975 i had two

693
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,080
sightings i didn't remember this until

694
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,919
we got into this sort of discussion

695
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,240
about this morphing thing and and kenny

696
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,799
appears whatever they want um

697
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,600
in 1975 i had two sightings two of my

698
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,760
close sightings that came right at me

699
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,679
but when they started they were one

700
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,960
object and when they got to me there

701
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,159
were another object completely different

702
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,400
object and it did change on the way in

703
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,480
coming in from from the horizon so you

704
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,840
can see that these things can change

705
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,080
shape they can change size and even if

706
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,480
you i know if you've interviewed uh

707
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,480
uc ronan from

708
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,039
israel he wrote a book called one this

709
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,960
idea that it's all one thing that the

710
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:06,240
oneness of the universe and stuff like

711
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,760
that that was the message he got from

712
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,320
these green beings and what they told

713
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,039
him in these in in their discussion was

714
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,440
when we come to your world we can take

715
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,720
on whatever shape and size or if we want

716
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,080
and you can do the same thing you just

717
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,240
don't know it we need a body in your in

718
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,799
your in your when we come to visit you

719
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,799
but we don't we don't have a body so we

720
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,559
take this on and i always refer to

721
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,080
people a very important story that

722
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,240
everybody should take very close contact

723
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,080
with and that's the story that leslie

724
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,320
kane tells about the being with the

725
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,559
physical medium in great britain where

726
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,720
she goes to stuart alexander's place and

727
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,559
she said she had seen this on a number

728
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,559
of occasions where she sits at this

729
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,400
little table has a red light under it

730
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,240
and she says this watery stuff comes up

731
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,400
on top of the table and it starts to

732
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,559
form this arm and his hand and she says

733
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,799
she feels the hand and she said it's as

734
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,240
real as a real hand she can feel the

735
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,480
knuckles it's warm it's soft like a

736
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,400
child's hand or whatever then the the

737
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,640
hand bangs on the on the table and then

738
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,799
it just sort of dematerializes off the

739
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,720
table that's what's happening with the

740
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,320
ufo thing they're coming in they're

741
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,679
materializing and then they're

742
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,840
dematerializing so people that think

743
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,760
that's just some e.t that came in with a

744
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,760
with a with a ship and metal or whatever

745
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,440
it's way beyond that and i've learned

746
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,000
that in almost 50 years of doing this

747
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,760
that the more i look at it the more i

748
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,000
investigate it the more complex it gets

749
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:25,919
the weirder it gets it's almost like

750
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,720
they're

751
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,640
showing a pattern because if you take a

752
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,640
look there's a definite pattern ufos

753
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,039
started in like 1895. there were wooden

754
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,039
ships with propellers and sails and

755
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,640
there was guys hanging down off of ropes

756
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,480
and they said over from mars and that

757
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:40,159
was when we discovered the canals on

758
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,279
mars so everybody thought oh yeah

759
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,440
they're from mars these and and then you

760
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,760
get in the 1950s they're all human type

761
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,120
beings and they're flying with these

762
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,559
ships with windows in them with the

763
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,720
balls under them and then in the 1960s

764
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,120
these classic saucer things come out and

765
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:56,080
then 1975 i see a triangle

766
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,360
almost nobody saw a triangle before

767
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,000
1975. then other people saw triangles

768
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,720
billy cox saw a triangle in 1978 from

769
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,360
from uh you know who does the ufo blog

770
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,000
and um you see the triangles appear and

771
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,600
then you see the ground traces and then

772
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,279
the ground traces stop there has not

773
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,799
been as far as i'm concerned there's not

774
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,640
been a ground trace in 20 years they

775
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,559
have not landed they don't have windows

776
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,640
in them anymore and you see the ufos are

777
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,799
changing now a lot of it is orbs these

778
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,120
orbs that are flying around and and you

779
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,559
see that the pattern is changing and

780
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,320
they're showing us the complexity of it

781
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,159
so they used to tell people very simple

782
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:29,760
things now they're starting to get in to

783
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:32,640
tell people very complex thing and and i

784
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,919
have a book coming out called uh the ufo

785
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,559
sky pilots and i interview in the book i

786
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,880
have 36 people i think it's 36 to 40

787
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:42,799
people who claim they have flown the

788
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,679
ship and this includes a 747 united

789
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:48,640
airlines pilot it includes the

790
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,159
ramirez who is the this top cia guy it

791
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,559
includes um a us air force retired

792
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,720
colonel out of los angeles and they all

793
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,480
say the same thing when i say you flew

794
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,559
the craft same as chris bledsoe you flew

795
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,799
the craft and he said yeah i said tell

796
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,640
me how do you fly craft he said well you

797
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,640
do it with your mind and you you go in

798
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,400
you put your hand on a panel you put

799
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,840
your hand on a ball

800
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,520
one of these two things are on a on a

801
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,159
flat a flat uh panel or a fat panel on

802
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,919
the wall and then you become one of the

803
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,360
craft and they all say everybody's the

804
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:19,120
same thing you become one of the craft

805
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,559
the craft is alive and whatever you

806
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,240
think is what the craft does and then

807
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,799
you have guys like ron johnson who said

808
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:26,159
when he sat in the chair they made him

809
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,440
sit in a chair and put his fingers in

810
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,279
this on this thing and it looked like

811
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,880
the chair had been built for him they

812
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,559
said where would you like to go and he

813
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,559
said i'd like to go i'd like to go and

814
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,320
see the milky way from a distance and

815
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,080
they said hang on it's going to be very

816
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,320
intense g-force he said within one

817
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,080
second he said he looked out the window

818
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,159
and there in the distance was the milky

819
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,480
way so that's like 50 000 light years or

820
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,720
100 000 light years he's outside the

821
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,880
milky way something seriously wrong with

822
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,039
time and space if that story's true and

823
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,320
other people will tell that story as

824
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,000
well ramirez tells that kind of story

825
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,919
where he's instantly out at a planet and

826
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,919
stuff like that it shows us that we've

827
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,440
missed that we've missed the boat we've

828
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,279
we've got we've got some things in that

829
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,039
we're believing that aren't almost like

830
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,559
i think mark twain i've got the quote

831
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,840
here what mark twain said um

832
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,919
it ain't what you don't know that gets

833
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,919
you into trouble it's what you know for

834
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,000
sure that just ain't so and i think

835
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,000
that's the problem is that we we sort of

836
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,679
believe that we've got all the pieces of

837
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,880
the puzzle we're waiting for that one

838
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,640
last piece of the puzzle to come in and

839
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,399
in fact we've got almost everything

840
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,640
wrong we don't understand time and space

841
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,640
we don't understand uh all this kind of

842
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:30,480
stuff and that's well that's what

843
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,600
they're covering up that's what the

844
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,679
high-level people are covering up in the

845
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,399
background and which hopefully people

846
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,600
like elizondo and these people can open

847
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,720
this up and

848
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,559
and point out who these people are and

849
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:44,320
what they're doing the problem is that

850
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,440
it's all going to be classified the

851
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,080
highest uh highest secrets

852
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,080
in any government are always the weapon

853
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:52,159
secrets so you gotta always remember

854
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,279
that they're trying to take this

855
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,080
technology and turn it into weapons and

856
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,080
uh so that'll be highly classified stuff

857
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,520
which i'm not sure they'll be able to

858
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,840
shake out but the idea that ufos exist

859
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,360
is already there and then we're going to

860
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,279
get in i've heard rumors that they're

861
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,640
they're going to bring up the the

862
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,600
retrievals at the next the next

863
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:10,480
uh

864
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,440
you're gonna see it all unravel and

865
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,720
you're gonna see the consciousness of

866
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,840
the of the

867
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:20,000
population in terms of everybody's gonna

868
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,200
start working on it everybody's gonna

869
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,720
start talking about it and we're gonna

870
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,640
get past this block that we've always

871
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:27,039
had about this crazy ufo subject that

872
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,080
that is

873
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,799
and could not possibly exist

874
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:32,159
how long is it going to take you've

875
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,440
covered quite a lot of ground there and

876
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,200
it's fascinating to listen to people

877
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,880
like you people like myself and many

878
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,279
people listening to this podcast can

879
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,000
accept and understand and and take in

880
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,159
those ideas and even if they're newer to

881
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,320
the subject and they're realizing it's

882
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,399
not just 80s flying from mars and a

883
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,080
flying saucer and there's different

884
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,320
dimensions realities different levels of

885
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,480
beings and consciousness

886
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,320
how do you get the general public to

887
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,159
into that conversation because even if

888
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,039
alou elizondo in front of congress talks

889
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,559
about what he knows

890
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,720
surely some of these ideas are just too

891
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,720
much of a leap for even the general

892
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,720
public to get involved how do you bridge

893
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,360
that gap and how long could that take

894
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,720
well i always say we're no different

895
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,240
than any other social or political

896
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:16,000
movement so you can maybe take for

897
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,440
example women's right to vote people

898
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,720
don't realize women have only had the

899
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,080
right to vote in the united states for

900
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,679
the last 100 years

901
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,000
they were blocked for the first 150

902
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,720
years of the united states of america

903
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,559
and it comes down the same issue same

904
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,399
way it works with everybody you have to

905
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,919
get the consciousness you got to talk

906
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,520
about it and so it really doesn't matter

907
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,360
how many bad jokes there are about ufos

908
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,480
or how many bad movies they're done

909
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,279
about ufos every time it's in hollywood

910
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,840
every time it's on a tv show it raises

911
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,679
consciousness people become more and

912
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:45,840
more accustomed to the fact that this is

913
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,279
real or even like max planck said um

914
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,760
he he's the guy that just you know sort

915
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,840
of was the godfather of quantum physics

916
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:55,919
and he even talked about the the fight

917
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,159
back that he got and he said new ideas

918
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,600
do not change by convincing your

919
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,679
opponent that you're right it comes from

920
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,080
this idea that the old people die off

921
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,840
and the new generation is not offended

922
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,159
with the idea so the more you get you

923
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,000
you get the young people coming on and

924
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,159
the old people die off the young people

925
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,440
are not offended with this kind of stuff

926
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,679
and that's what i said with the um with

927
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,600
the discovery of the fact that we were

928
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,679
actually ufos were real when that was

929
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,880
the new york times everybody thought it

930
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,559
was going to be like you know game over

931
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,000
like everything was going to fall apart

932
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,440
people going to commit suicide and all

933
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,120
this kind of stuff and basically nothing

934
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,120
happened so i think the consciousness is

935
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,039
basically there that if they say there

936
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,720
are beings and there are crash saucers

937
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,480
or whatever everybody's gonna go yeah i

938
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,760
knew that already i think it's just

939
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,480
gonna slide over and it'll just be more

940
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,200
and more talk about it and uh it's it's

941
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,480
not something that you convince the

942
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,480
entire public you even have about almost

943
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,120
12 or 13 of the united states still

944
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,559
believes that the united the world is

945
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,159
flat so you're not really going to

946
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,159
convince everybody all the time of what

947
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,480
it is what you need to do is is the the

948
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,480
main roadblock has always been not the

949
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,240
politicians because the politicians go

950
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,760
like this they take their finger they

951
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,120
get it wet and they see which direction

952
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,960
is the wind block blowing and they'll go

953
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,559
in that direction so now the ufos are

954
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,000
going that direction and everybody's

955
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,600
trying to jump on board in fact steven

956
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,559
greer

957
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,240
in the past actually told the story and

958
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,480
the senator escapes my mind he was

959
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,640
fighting with hillary but anyway he had

960
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,120
said steve made the the pitch to him and

961
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,440
he said we're totally with you i'll tell

962
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,039
you what he said you get the parade

963
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,720
going and then once you get the parade

964
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,120
going we'll we'll we'll leave the parade

965
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,559
and it's always that thing is to need

966
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,840
the votes they would need to know that

967
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,679
there's gonna be support so when in when

968
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,240
the new york times article in 2017 came

969
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,919
out nothing happened everybody was just

970
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,760
sort of accustomed to it and i think the

971
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:38,159
same thing is is basically if you get

972
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,120
into

973
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,480
multi-dimensions you're going to get

974
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,840
into

975
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,120
you know some

976
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,880
so very religious people the ones that

977
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,480
were trying to block it the the ones

978
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,000
inside the pentagon to believe it's the

979
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,000
devil you're never against those people

980
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,679
that that it's going that way but you

981
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,960
just need to convince the science

982
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,360
because i always say science not the the

983
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,880
the politicians will go in whatever

984
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,559
direction they want but if you take the

985
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,440
scientific community i think it was um

986
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,159
john alexander put out a poll and it was

987
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,519
like only a publicly they the the

988
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,440
national academy of sciences which is

989
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,360
the top 200 scientists they pulled them

990
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,200
i think it was only six percent believed

991
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,279
in any paranormal phenomena only four

992
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,720
percent believed in god or something

993
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,320
like that it was just like absolutely

994
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,720
stunning numbers uh but that's what you

995
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,640
need to move you need to move those guys

996
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,559
off the the line where

997
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,480
even like now the harvard study where

998
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,000
they're they're doing the ufos they've

999
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,240
got shermer in there but still they they

1000
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,080
there you have this harvard now working

1001
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,760
on it openly instead of trying to take

1002
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,720
john's max uh uh you know

1003
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,120
tenure away from him it's in a position

1004
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,799
where once science gets a hold of this

1005
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,720
thing and realizes you can make money

1006
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,120
because all research basically comes

1007
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,240
from a government giving money to uh

1008
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,559
researchers at universities so once this

1009
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,880
is okay that you can get funded for a

1010
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,559
ufo research project where you're

1011
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,080
working on free energy where then it

1012
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,240
takes off right now nobody in the

1013
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,159
academic community will touch this thing

1014
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,000
because you you can't get funding and if

1015
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,200
you do get it you're gonna lose your

1016
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,679
tenure or nobody will talk to you even

1017
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,519
um josephson

1018
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,919
the guy won the nobel prize and he

1019
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,200
talked about the fact that he believed

1020
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,200
in esp and he was not allowed to work

1021
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,800
with graduate students this guy won a

1022
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,639
nobel prize and that's the thing even a

1023
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,800
nobel prize guy can be ostracized but

1024
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,919
that's not going to happen anymore

1025
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,079
because we're over that hump of ufos

1026
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,079
existing so scientists will move and

1027
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,440
that's what we needed we needed

1028
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,000
scientists to to jump on board and stop

1029
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,000
start doing projects on it start working

1030
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,320
on it and it'll go on from there it

1031
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,320
really doesn't matter if all the public

1032
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,560
believes all you need is the funding to

1033
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,119
be given into the areas that we need

1034
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,200
them and scientists to work on it and

1035
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,480
you're going to see a lot of research

1036
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,639
come out and a lot of answers coming out

1037
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,119
that the government really can't stop

1038
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:49,440
do you expect to see a further u.s

1039
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,639
congressional hearing this year

1040
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,639
um i wouldn't be surprised i i hear keep

1041
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,800
hearing rumors and they uh they keep

1042
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:58,160
pushing that they're they're going to

1043
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,119
get this

1044
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,440
and it'll be a big one i mean if they do

1045
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,680
uh my my understanding is that they're

1046
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,760
going to try to put in louisando and

1047
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,160
people like that and if they get this uh

1048
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,880
immunity thing uh this is gonna be a big

1049
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,960
big hearing i mean it's gonna be major

1050
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,440
news in terms of not just ufo sightings

1051
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,880
but the fact that they have bodies the

1052
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,599
fact that they have uh crash material

1053
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,960
and that they've been working on this

1054
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,880
for many years i mean i think that will

1055
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,359
be sort of big but whether it happens

1056
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,520
this year or next or whatever

1057
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:29,599
the congress is basically in a situation

1058
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,400
where

1059
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,880
uh you can now stand up for it uh you're

1060
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,480
actually sort of an outsider if you're

1061
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,000
not you're not on top of this and you're

1062
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,480
not supporting this so it has unlike

1063
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,240
anything else in the united states it

1064
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,720
has both parties on board you know you

1065
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,760
don't have people fighting with each

1066
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:45,200
other everybody's trying to

1067
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,400
get this thing and that's what i said

1068
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,119
about uh gilbran is that people got to

1069
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,160
realize she ran for president in 2020

1070
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,240
and guess who backed her guess who

1071
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,839
talked her into it hillary clinton and

1072
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,440
hillary clinton was a disclosure woman

1073
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:59,119
she's the one that wanted to be the

1074
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,560
disclosure president and because she

1075
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,640
lost the election it didn't happen they

1076
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,320
they went ahead with it anyway but

1077
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,040
podesta uh is has been pushing in the

1078
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,359
background he's been pushing biden so i

1079
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,040
think you're you're going to see this

1080
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,800
thing whether it's this year or next but

1081
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,480
the next hearing will be a big hearing

1082
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,680
it'll be

1083
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,800
not government people that are clued out

1084
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,440
and not read in it'll be uh

1085
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,520
people who have a need to know i'm

1086
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,280
getting actually very very impressed

1087
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,560
with uh people like uh louis alizando

1088
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,720
and semivan in the fact that they have

1089
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,800
pushed this as far as they have i mean

1090
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,560
to just get to the point where you've

1091
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,880
got a senate hearing you've got uh you

1092
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,040
know stuff right into the record all the

1093
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,960
senators are on board they're all

1094
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,960
they've all been briefed and stuff

1095
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,240
never would i believe that was going to

1096
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,760
happen and it happened very fast people

1097
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,119
think oh when you know when's it going

1098
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,560
to happen because they're peop it's like

1099
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,160
the western society always wants

1100
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,000
everything yesterday they won everything

1101
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,599
and they wanted yesterday so we're

1102
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,720
saying well when's it going to happen

1103
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,320
but you got to remember it's only been

1104
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,400
five years until

1105
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,240
we got to the point where

1106
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,560
people said ufos exist before then the

1107
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,680
government was still saying this is

1108
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:05,599
total nonsense you remember back to the

1109
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,040
the uh the obama days when obama was

1110
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,160
asked a question and his science advisor

1111
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,240
spokesman came out and said uh there you

1112
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,160
know there are no ufos and there's no

1113
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,760
cover-up and all that sort of stuff that

1114
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,280
was the that was the thing until five

1115
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,640
years ago now it's a completely

1116
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,320
different world it's like completely

1117
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,240
different and it's just it's rolling

1118
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:26,000
along way faster than i thought it would

1119
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,440
so i would not be surprised if this

1120
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,960
hearing was in the next month or two

1121
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,040
months or whatever i'm very impressed at

1122
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,040
how much these guys have worked in the

1123
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,280
background and how they've been able to

1124
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,440
move the system and and get this thing

1125
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:39,440
out into the public which as i pointed

1126
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,960
out uh semi-van had said in 2016 to

1127
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,560
high-level government officials we're

1128
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,599
going to do this we're pushing this

1129
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,960
thing into the public the way it was

1130
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,640
explained to me was the big man was

1131
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,720
going to be involved and high-level

1132
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,560
officials are going to come forward and

1133
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,400
they're going to say ufos exist and

1134
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,240
they're going to force disclosure and

1135
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,320
they gave me a seven-year time window

1136
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,320
this is 2016.

1137
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,320
i think seven or eight year time window

1138
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:04,480
so that everything that i was told in

1139
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:08,160
2016 came to be the the disclosure uh

1140
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,440
all that sort of stuff high-level

1141
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,440
officials came forward said it was real

1142
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,079
uh and disclosure has taken place so

1143
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,359
it's just a matter of what has been

1144
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,079
disclosed now we've got ufos disclosed

1145
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,839
uh the next thing definitely everyone's

1146
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,320
got to push is the bodies and the uh

1147
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,640
recovered material

1148
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,560
jim simavon is a name you've mentioned

1149
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,640
several times grant and i'm curious on

1150
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,400
your take that the direction to the

1151
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,119
stars has gone and focusing heavily on

1152
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,520
their media wing jim semivan recently

1153
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,440
was on the conference call with tom

1154
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,839
delong and they're very much focused on

1155
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,920
monsters in california coming out

1156
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,240
talking about the phenomenon and

1157
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,400
different phenomena tribute to ufos

1158
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,320
through the media through movies through

1159
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,560
the fiction books followed by secret

1160
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,119
machines being made into a tv series are

1161
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,040
you surprised jim semivan's still

1162
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,119
staying so close to tom delong or is

1163
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,599
this something you would expect

1164
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,680
um i'm not surprised i mean you gotta

1165
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,119
remember there's a story i don't know if

1166
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,640
you remember the story uh there was a

1167
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,440
guy been a chase brandon from the ci who

1168
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,680
came forward a book called the crystal

1169
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,440
christos conundrum

1170
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,359
and it was a fictional book that was

1171
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,200
written about how the ci had handled

1172
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:18,720
roswell this is 2012. well he was his

1173
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,400
job for the cia he was the uh hollywood

1174
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,119
uh guy for the cia so if you were doing

1175
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,280
a movie in hollywood and you had the ci

1176
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,880
chase brandon coming up to you and say

1177
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,960
andy i hear you're doing a ufo are you

1178
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,760
doing a movie on uh cia yeah

1179
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,040
do you know how cia works have you ever

1180
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,280
met a cia agent no would you like to

1181
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,040
come to cia and check it out so you get

1182
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,880
it accurate and that's what you do

1183
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,800
instead of fighting people instead of

1184
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,400
you know trying to put people down and

1185
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,320
fight people you walk along with them

1186
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,760
get along with them and try to guide

1187
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,040
them in the direction you want them to

1188
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,440
go so it's not unusual that the ci is

1189
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,720
going to try to manipulate or pressure

1190
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,560
hollywood and tv

1191
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,800
to put out the message they want put out

1192
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,280
cia are good guys uh we tried to save

1193
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,040
the country and i think that's what

1194
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,880
what's going on with tom delong that jim

1195
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,280
semivan as i was told was the guy that

1196
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,040
set up the new york times washington

1197
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,880
post in politico he's the guy that set

1198
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,200
up the original drop he's a guy that's

1199
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,560
an expert at uh dealing with media and

1200
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,800
how the story gets taken out and stuff

1201
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,640
like that and so

1202
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,839
i'm not surprised that he would stick in

1203
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,119
there because that's what tom delong is

1204
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,960
doing he's not a scientist so he can't

1205
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,520
work on the the science angle of it uh

1206
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,839
uh and he's just a guy who's wants to

1207
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,520
make money out of everything you know he

1208
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,119
tried to buy this the chris bledsoe

1209
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,119
story he you know i don't know if he

1210
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,480
bought the bizarre story i think he

1211
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,160
bought the lazar story so he's trying to

1212
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,599
control these stories and make money out

1213
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,040
of these stories and that's what i say

1214
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,720
is that's very very powerful the

1215
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,160
hollywood thing people don't realize how

1216
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:46,079
powerful it is because the skeptic will

1217
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,440
sit there and turn on the tv and say oh

1218
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,560
this will be a good laugh i'll watch

1219
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,040
this and he watches the show without

1220
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,960
being offended without someone sticking

1221
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,000
his face and saying you're wrong you're

1222
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,839
wrong you're wrong and he watches it and

1223
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,200
he doesn't realize he's being

1224
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:59,200
brainwashed that he's his ideas are

1225
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:00,400
being changed and that's what's

1226
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,390
stories there was even the the

1227
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,640
disney just put out the thing uh what

1228
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:11,359
was it called the soul the the movie and

1229
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:12,319
yeah

1230
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,720
people from uh the institute for uh the

1231
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,520
um uh ions that were advisors to that

1232
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,200
movie that's how it works you put the

1233
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,720
advisors in there you get the story

1234
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,319
right and you put the story out and

1235
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,240
people that's what changes consciousness

1236
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,839
it's not so much me coming to you and

1237
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,599
convincing you that you're wrong and you

1238
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,119
give up and you put up the white flag

1239
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,880
that's never gonna happen it's slowly

1240
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,800
the way they manipulate so it's very

1241
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,040
important i think jim semivan realizes

1242
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,040
this education thing through hollywood

1243
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,040
through stories is very very important

1244
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,119
that it is shifting the the

1245
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,599
mentality of the of the public because

1246
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,040
you get millions and millions of people

1247
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,280
watching and especially kids who will

1248
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,200
watch it and assume that's the way it is

1249
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,640
they don't hear the skeptical stories

1250
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,079
they're hearing that kind of stuff and

1251
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,400
it does move the the needle quite a bit

1252
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,000
even now i mean in the old days you'd

1253
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,839
have you know one documentary every two

1254
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:01,040
years and everybody get all excited

1255
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,560
there's a documentary coming now it's

1256
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,880
like on tv every tv show has it

1257
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,960
everybody realizes this is big numbers

1258
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,040
you can get with ufo stuff so it's

1259
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,280
inundating people and people are being

1260
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,359
brainwashed they're being uh sort of

1261
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,520
given this idea that all this you know

1262
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,680
inter-dimensional stuff is is possible

1263
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,119
and there's people coming from other

1264
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,960
dimensions and stuff like that i don't

1265
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,720
think people will be surprised at all

1266
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,480
that i think what the hold up is what

1267
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,480
what they're trying to block is the fact

1268
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,319
that this is such powerful technology i

1269
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,480
always said this is going to make

1270
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,480
nuclear weapons look like matchsticks

1271
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,480
the power that that's involved and the

1272
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,880
ability to go into people's heads and

1273
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,359
and and stuff like that this the mind

1274
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,040
part of this thing and they've known

1275
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,359
about this they had the memo to the

1276
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,160
canadian government in 1950 that the red

1277
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,800
the the american officials also told us

1278
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,560
that other things may be associated with

1279
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,400
the flying saucers such as mental

1280
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,839
phenomena and they're not doing very

1281
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,280
well because they said if the canadians

1282
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,640
are working on it they're willing to

1283
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,319
exchange credentials and talk to us

1284
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,480
about it so in 1950 they already knew

1285
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,000
mental phenomena was part of the ufo

1286
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,599
phenomena that's something the general

1287
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,960
public that's something that even the

1288
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,880
ufo community hasn't caught on to yet a

1289
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,640
lot of people will now be using the word

1290
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,240
consciousness i don't think they realize

1291
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,680
what they're talking about this is

1292
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,440
really what it's all about it's this

1293
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,920
whole idea that consciousness is the

1294
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,720
basis of the universe and uh this idea

1295
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:21,440
that you can maybe even meld a bird with

1296
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,839
a piece of metal and move that that

1297
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,720
biological uh

1298
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,319
knowledge about how to fly into a piece

1299
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,000
of metal i'm sure that kind of stuff is

1300
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,680
what they're working on on leading edge

1301
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,520
and i think they'll be damned if they're

1302
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,960
gonna let that into the public they're

1303
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,079
they're just not gonna because they'll

1304
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,599
say oh the russians will pick it up the

1305
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,119
russians are working on it the chinese

1306
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,480
are working on it we've got to get it

1307
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,760
first and it all comes down to this

1308
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,839
thing about what's called lead time in

1309
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,400
military even like the new the nuclear

1310
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,640
bomb so you drop the bomb on hiroshima

1311
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:51,359
nagasaki and they go to the empire in

1312
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,480
japan and they say well they drop these

1313
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,480
two atomic bombs okay well let's make an

1314
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,920
atomic bomb and drop it i am and they

1315
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,240
say we can't takes seven years to build

1316
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,680
and that's the whole idea even if you're

1317
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,079
one day ahead of your opposition in

1318
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,920
terms of getting the secret you can win

1319
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,680
the war it's all got to do with lead

1320
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,680
time who's who's got the thing and can

1321
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,200
you fight back if you've got if you have

1322
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,839
to use your your super secret nuclear

1323
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,599
weapon and that's what i think it's all

1324
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,119
about it's about weapons it's about

1325
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,440
protecting that idea that this

1326
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,680
technology even some of the technology

1327
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,599
you see the consciousness technology

1328
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,040
where chris bledsoe i talked to him

1329
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:26,000
about it and i have a couple of

1330
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,880
um

1331
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,640
terry lovelace talks about it as well

1332
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,240
and this is stuff that just blows your

1333
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,480
mind that the people describe they go to

1334
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,480
the craft the crafts are 30 feet 30 feet

1335
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,480
across they go inside the craft and it's

1336
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,560
the size of a football stadium inside i

1337
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,079
mean that kind of technology when you

1338
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,520
see the cia

1339
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,880
you go well like wow or what i said and

1340
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,720
this has actually been confirmed now

1341
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,640
that the the all the money the 22

1342
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,040
million dollars went to assaf really

1343
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,200
didn't go to atip they weren't really as

1344
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,480
far as i'm concerned really weren't

1345
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:56,560
interested in ufos they were interested

1346
00:45:02,470 --> 00:44:57,359
in

1347
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,480
mutilations uh the what are the 20 ports

1348
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,000
where they made things disappear

1349
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,920
reappear where the wife goes in she

1350
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,359
takes all the groceries out of the bag

1351
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,599
but he puts the puts them in the in the

1352
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,520
in the in the in the shelves and then

1353
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,800
she goes to the next room comes back and

1354
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,480
all the groceries are back in the bag

1355
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,079
that's what they wanted to investigate

1356
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,079
because you can just imagine if they

1357
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,680
like when these three guys you they

1358
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,599
always tell the skinwalker's story these

1359
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,079
three guys who were so scared they can't

1360
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,000
go back to the ranch what happened there

1361
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,599
is these guys were armed and they were

1362
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,119
hunting the skinwalker and they were

1363
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,800
walking down that road and they got a

1364
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,520
voice in their head that said leave you

1365
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,160
are not welcome and they were so scared

1366
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,319
they they they left these these special

1367
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,319
forces guys and they they were afraid to

1368
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,839
go back and it went back to their house

1369
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,440
it was this uh

1370
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,440
this hitchhiker effect which happens in

1371
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,000
all paranormal it goes back and haunted

1372
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,160
their families and stuff the the voice

1373
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,000
in the head i mean if you can do that to

1374
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,319
your enemy just go in there and talk in

1375
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,480
their head that's what the intelligence

1376
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,319
would like to have that's what the

1377
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,000
cover-up i believe is all is about it's

1378
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,839
that kind of technology there it's not

1379
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,400
the fact that ufos exist it's the fact

1380
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,440
that it has this absolutely unbelievable

1381
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,480
ability to uh whoever gets it will rule

1382
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,960
the world and uh it comes down to the

1383
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,079
americans are going to get it before

1384
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,160
anybody else and you know some people

1385
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,920
have you know trillions of dollars that

1386
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,839
they've thrown into this to try to back

1387
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,680
engineer this thing to get this this

1388
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,920
technology and even in the wilson leak

1389
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,880
you'll see

1390
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,560
that in some ways they have not been

1391
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,839
able to do it in the wilson league

1392
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,319
document at the very end it says we have

1393
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,800
a craft we think it will fly

1394
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,400
and that means they have a craft that's

1395
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,480
intact totally intact but they can't

1396
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,000
turn it on because you need a

1397
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,839
consciousness interface to turn it on

1398
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,280
they can't turn the craft on they've got

1399
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,960
it but they can't turn it on and so it's

1400
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,319
that kind of stuff that they're working

1401
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,400
on to try to solve and they don't want

1402
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,720
to solve it in the open public so that

1403
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,319
the russians will pick it up and and

1404
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,319
develop it before you will because it's

1405
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:54,079
a game of cards so if you're playing a

1406
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,280
game of cards with the russians are

1407
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,520
chinese you put your cards down on table

1408
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:59,359
and then the chinese say oh we're not

1409
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,560
going to put our cards down the table

1410
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,160
thank you very much and walk off and

1411
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,079
they've got the one piece that they

1412
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:06,000
needed you put your cards down so nobody

1413
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,599
wants to put their cards on the table

1414
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:09,119
because they're all missing pieces of

1415
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:10,880
the puzzle and they're not going to give

1416
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,760
the opposition a piece of the puzzle

1417
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,280
grant just in the last few minutes we

1418
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,640
have together i want to ask you some

1419
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,319
listener questions i had quite a lot

1420
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,920
sent in to me so we'll try and get

1421
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,040
through a couple of these if you don't

1422
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,160
mind

1423
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,400
yeah and from david johnston uh he would

1424
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,079
love to know whether you feel the

1425
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,079
phenomenon is actively engaged in

1426
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,079
influence influencing us through the

1427
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,319
three eyes insight imagination and

1428
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,920
intuition

1429
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,520
absolutely that's what it's about it's a

1430
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,520
if you look at

1431
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,119
bigelow when they asked him what was

1432
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,640
skinwalker ranch about you had the ranch

1433
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,480
all those years what was going on he

1434
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,559
said immediately messaging it's all

1435
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,319
about messaging and it's about games

1436
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,920
they play games with the thing it's

1437
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,920
about messaging they're sending messages

1438
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,319
uh to us uh this is this whole idea it's

1439
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,400
gonna be very spiritual it's gonna be uh

1440
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,280
this idea that these are just beings uh

1441
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,800
all the world's a stage all the men and

1442
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,800
women and aliens are but actors they

1443
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,400
have their interests in exits it's this

1444
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,000
whole idea that we may have agreed with

1445
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,800
them it's the soul contract ideas and

1446
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,599
all this very complex stuff that

1447
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,920
as as i think some people have said we

1448
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,920
are the aliens they are us that we are

1449
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,760
we are connected with them so it's

1450
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,440
basically our higher self or these

1451
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,760
higher beings who have come in and it's

1452
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,079
all about influencing us that's i call

1453
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,839
it the theory of wow why do they have

1454
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,079
lights on the craft so you can see them

1455
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,800
grade one class in the in etude land or

1456
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,640
wherever it is say how are we going to

1457
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:32,240
get a message these people oh i'll put

1458
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,920
lights on crafts and fly them around and

1459
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,520
so that's what they do because i always

1460
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:37,119
ask people when they see a ufo i say

1461
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,720
what was it doing and they go

1462
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,480
i wasn't doing anything and i say how

1463
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,319
long did it last oh just a couple

1464
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,640
seconds anybody see it no just me and

1465
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,160
then you realize like do you think they

1466
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,000
was you he wanted you to see it yeah i

1467
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,920
think so people say this all the time

1468
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,680
it's this idea that people are playing

1469
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,000
these these games have agreed to it and

1470
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,079
you're not in it for by accident you

1471
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,160
didn't get into the ufo thing yeah it's

1472
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,400
all about influencing it's all about uh

1473
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,319
but the way they do it is not the way

1474
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,599
the americans do it the americans go

1475
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:05,119
into iraq and say we're here to bring

1476
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,559
you freedom democracy jesus and

1477
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,079
mcdonald's and next thing everybody's

1478
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,440
pointing guns and they're inside the

1479
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,040
blue zone and they're they're got

1480
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,640
barricades and trying to save themselves

1481
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,200
and stuff like that it's basically them

1482
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,680
increa giving us these hints giving us

1483
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,440
these little breadcrumbs and forcing us

1484
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,440
to figure it out for ourselves they're

1485
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,200
not going to step in as the canadians

1486
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,880
were told unless there's a nuclear war

1487
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,640
we're not going to step in

1488
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,160
uh other than a nuclear war we're going

1489
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,599
to allow the human race to stew in its

1490
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,760
own juices so yes it's all about

1491
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,680
influencing it's all about them trying

1492
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,760
to give us messages that we're

1493
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,000
destroying the ecology and they really

1494
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,599
don't like nuclear weapons they don't

1495
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,359
like the war stuff that's why you see

1496
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,520
all the stuff around military the 100

1497
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,640
100

1498
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,200
ufos around this is all messaging it's

1499
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,880
all about messaging

1500
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,200
dave smithers asks what do you think the

1501
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,440
influence of the collins elite is today

1502
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,920
on disclosure you reported and do you

1503
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,079
believe in magic that many in the cia

1504
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,160
were believers in the end of days was

1505
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,960
this linked to the collins elite

1506
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,559
i don't think the collins elite has as

1507
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,880
much power as it has before that's just

1508
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,200
basically going to be uh sort of your

1509
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,760
red states the southern states where

1510
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,000
the religious idea is very very strong i

1511
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,400
think they've lost a lot of power by

1512
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,599
because they can't really speak out

1513
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,760
they're sitting in the background and

1514
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,440
they've gone after lou alexander trying

1515
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,839
to to stop it i think they'll they'll

1516
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,839
try to throw wrenches in it but it's way

1517
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,480
beyond that one it's as again it's it's

1518
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,559
cia you've got it actually in in

1519
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,400
congress and congress is

1520
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:33,680
going to shake this thing loose and

1521
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,630
um

1522
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,920
sheehan and people like this are going

1523
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,520
to give them the clues as to where to

1524
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,760
look and uh it's a different branch of

1525
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,880
government i don't think it's a great

1526
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,480
stock i don't think the collins elite

1527
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,160
these religious people have as much

1528
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,640
power as they used to have uh

1529
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,160
because i think it's it's way beyond

1530
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,400
that anymore it's it's out in where

1531
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,640
nobody can stop it it's rolling and once

1532
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,160
it is it's like a snowball once it

1533
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,000
starts down the hill you just get out of

1534
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,079
the way this thing is going to roll

1535
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,400
and final question from stuart what does

1536
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,200
grant think the ultimate outcome of ce5

1537
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,040
contact attempts such as jimmy

1538
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,760
blanchett's work will lead to

1539
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,040
um i don't think it's going to be

1540
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,640
anything that's going to break it

1541
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,400
because it's again we put the message

1542
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,880
out we showed how jimmy blaschat had had

1543
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,720
actually got a code and he decoded this

1544
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,400
thing and showed the message and stuff

1545
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,480
and everybody just went yeah whatever

1546
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,319
you know it's just like people

1547
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,160
don't i think it's only the crash

1548
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,920
sausage stuff that will affect people

1549
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,359
there's a lot of people getting messages

1550
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,040
there's two women in in great britain

1551
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,720
who have contact with the beings and

1552
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,880
i've actually gone through the first the

1553
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,559
one woman and i've talked to the beings

1554
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,520
and stuff

1555
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,359
there's a lot of people who have direct

1556
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,760
contact even uh john burroughs and he

1557
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,920
he's he's keeping his thing secret but

1558
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,880
in his uh his regression tape he goes

1559
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,400
into a direct contact he's actually

1560
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,000
talking to the aliens and that's why he

1561
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,760
doesn't want to release the the tape

1562
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,280
because it'll appear like he's totally

1563
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,960
crazy so you get this kind of stuff

1564
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,640
where it's a lot of people

1565
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,160
claiming contact and they're the people

1566
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,440
you've got to listen to

1567
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,800
you don't want to listen to the

1568
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,000
government necessarily because they may

1569
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,480
not know it and and a lot of government

1570
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,680
people have realized that's what they

1571
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,440
said to chris bledsoe when chris bledsoe

1572
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,119
said to them because he's had everybody

1573
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,800
there he's like showing a general how he

1574
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,800
flew the craft the u.s air force general

1575
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,960
he's had cia nsa

1576
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,400
uh you know

1577
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,880
oh and i everybody's been there and nasa

1578
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,480
and stuff like that and he said to him

1579
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,240
he said boy how come you you government

1580
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,000
guys are always at my place what's why

1581
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,680
why do you have to come to see me he

1582
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,760
said well the one guy said well they

1583
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,920
don't really talk to us they seem to be

1584
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,440
talking to you so we want to know what's

1585
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:35,280
going on and that's what you need to do

1586
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,319
and that's what i've done for a number

1587
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,240
of years is you go to the people who are

1588
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,079
actually in contact with the with the

1589
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,599
beings who have been on board the ship

1590
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,520
who are getting the messages and and

1591
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,119
they're the ones that have the the

1592
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,359
message the the ufo sightings just show

1593
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,040
us that something's going on but you got

1594
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,960
to get past the ufo sightings and you

1595
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,960
got to get to uh finding out people who

1596
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,200
have interacted with the beings and find

1597
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,280
out what they what they have because a

1598
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,880
lot of it is just show like for example

1599
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,800
the metals i believe is just a ports

1600
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,400
that i even said the hell put off i said

1601
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,920
come on hell i mean they come across the

1602
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,599
galaxy and then little pieces start

1603
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,880
falling off the craft this doesn't make

1604
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,480
any sense i mean this is called total

1605
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,359
nuts

1606
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,720
it's like the theory of wow they're

1607
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:12,000
going along and say hey let's drop a

1608
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,680
piece of metal i'll already get them

1609
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,520
going and then they go and they analyze

1610
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,440
it and then the isotopes are wrong in

1611
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,520
one part and and good in another part

1612
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:21,119
the same piece of metal the isotopes are

1613
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:22,240
different two different types of

1614
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,520
isotopes and then they say well this

1615
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,680
could be made on earth that's how you

1616
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,680
you raise consciousness every you can't

1617
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,720
figure it out it doesn't get you

1618
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:31,280
anywhere but it again confirms we aren't

1619
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,400
alone there's something going on

1620
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,079
something's visiting us and that's what

1621
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,400
they're trying to do and according to

1622
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,800
the the core story uh they may not be

1623
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:40,480
doing very well which is maybe why they

1624
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,680
try to put this thing in the in the

1625
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,000
public so that that ordinary scientists

1626
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,680
can work because i always tell the story

1627
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,359
about the core story where hal put off

1628
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,400
eric

1629
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,839
hell put off

1630
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,160
uh jacques valet and kit greene met at

1631
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,079
denny's restaurant and they've confirmed

1632
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:55,440
the story is true they made it to

1633
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,720
denny's restaurant they said there's all

1634
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:58,079
this garbage in the ufo community and

1635
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,440
this before the internet and stuff

1636
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,960
there's all these weird stories going we

1637
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,400
don't know what to believe what do we

1638
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,480
know for sure and what they came up with

1639
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,960
we are being visited by something

1640
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,200
uh there has been a crash technology has

1641
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,119
been recovered and we aren't doing very

1642
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,359
well back engineering the technology

1643
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,720
that i think is the situation that's why

1644
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,760
they're trying to put it out in the

1645
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,160
public because when you get it in the in

1646
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,839
the classified world you've got one

1647
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,040
piece of the craft i got another piece

1648
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,720
of craft you're not talking to me i'm

1649
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:24,880
not talking to you no there's no cost

1650
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,440
connection uh and that's why it's all

1651
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,559
falling apart because all the

1652
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,240
classification so if you get it into the

1653
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,079
white world where ordinary scientists

1654
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,119
can get it it's all public and they

1655
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,880
that's what they're hoping is that the

1656
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,480
white world will help

1657
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,160
unlock some of the things they haven't

1658
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,000
unlocked unfortunately still in the

1659
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,079
background these military people will be

1660
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:46,079
sitting there waiting for the white

1661
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,359
world to get these secrets and they're

1662
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,599
going to be converted into weapons

1663
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,440
which is just exactly opposite of what

1664
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:54,000
the beings want want to happen this this

1665
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,280
idea that we're going to use it to kill

1666
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,119
people and and to go into people's heads

1667
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,280
and stuff so

1668
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,640
it's going to it's going to come out

1669
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,000
because you've got a lot of white world

1670
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,839
people who are now accepting it

1671
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,760
scientists and it's going to be worked

1672
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,960
on and you're going to see a lot of

1673
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,319
answers i think this thing's going to

1674
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,119
roll really fast from now on i i'm i'm

1675
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,359
shocked at how fast it's gone and i

1676
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,960
would not be surprised anything

1677
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:16,880
happening now in terms of disclosure

1678
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:19,680
it's it's me me it's it's over it's it's

1679
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,400
as

1680
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,319
john lear used to say it's all over

1681
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,319
except for the screaming and crying and

1682
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,000
and i think that's the where where we're

1683
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,319
at it's it's rolling and there's nothing

1684
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,559
anybody can do to stop it

1685
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:32,240
grant it's always an absolute pleasure

1686
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,520
and i do mean that to speak to you

1687
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,280
you've been fascinating do you have a

1688
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,920
time scale on that book ufo sky pilots

1689
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,599
because that does sound fascinating when

1690
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,280
that could be getting released i

1691
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,040
actually have six books coming out but

1692
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:45,599
my my editor just got a job so she's in

1693
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,559
ontario now desta barnaby and so it will

1694
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,720
be during the winter because she they

1695
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,040
build ponds in people's backyards so

1696
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,280
that'll go till probably october and

1697
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,240
then she's going to work on the book

1698
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,440
that'll be one of the

1699
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,200
that book is coming out and a book on a

1700
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,960
ports and manifestations which happens a

1701
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,200
lot in the ufo community where things

1702
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,520
are dropped pieces of metal uh all this

1703
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,280
kind of stuff and and reappear and

1704
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:09,119
disappear and stuff like that so those

1705
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,319
would be two of the books i've got

1706
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,680
coming out and i got a book coming out

1707
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,559
on what i learned in 46 years of ufo

1708
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,079
research i have about six books coming

1709
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,720
out they'll be coming out say october to

1710
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,720
uh next april

1711
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,160
i'll be picking those up and i'm sure

1712
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,920
plenty of listeners will too grant again

1713
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,520
thank you very much for your time that

1714
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,599
is all for this week's show thank you

1715
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,760
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1716
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:31,760
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00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,880
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00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:41,200
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1726
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,200
uap am and again folks as always keep

1727
00:57:00,070 --> 00:56:58,720
looking up you never know what you might

1728
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:00,080
see

1729
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:30,790
[Music]

1730
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:38,069
i can't imagine how it could have been

1731
00:57:51,920 --> 00:58:10,440
i jump back nearly

1732
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:15,990
[Music]

1733
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,410
you and

1734
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,500
what's that

1735
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:35,990
[Music]

1736
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,750
being serious

1737
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:46,120
[Music]

1738
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,880
is

1739
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:08,910
it wasn't a tic-tac

1740
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:28,710
[Music]

1741
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,360
thanks